David -- Thanks for checking this out. To me the pictures look pretty differrent. I see some reconnections involving thick lines. A good fraction of the forces seem to change noticeably. Wow. But I don't see how your explanation can work. In Alexei's program the beads CAN'T move. The only nonlinear thing that happens is that bonds move. Roux's argument says there should be a unique state even with these bond moves taken into account. Meanwhile, we have to put together an answer to Roux's Comment; see separate note. This is exciting... Best, TW On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, David Head wrote: > Guys - > > I also don't see where anything might be going wrong with > Roux's convexity approach, but I can at least confirm that we > are still getting non-unique states, even with the null bonds > accounted for. > > Example: Here a system was first stabilised under a vertical load: > > http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~dhead/strut/Not_Unique_1.pdf > > restabilised under an angle of 0.2 rads, then restabilised again > under the same vertical load as before: > > http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~dhead/strut/Not_Unique_2.pdf > > As you can see, while the networks are at first glance similar, > there are small differences. Both networks were checked to ensure > that all the forces on a bead balanced, so they are both physically > correct. > > It strikes me that this apparent non-uniqueness may actually correspond > to slightly different bead geometries. If you look closely at the above > examples, > you can see that some bonds have moved, which (within the approximations > of the adaptive network algorithm) should correspond to a slight > alteration > in the positions of the beads. Thus we may not be in contradiction with > Roux's results after all, it may just be that we cannot `see' the small > changes > in bead positions that we know must be taking place. > > David.